amblypygid ([info]amblypygid) wrote,
@ 2008-06-03 14:01:00
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Overthinking
[info]kalikanzera Just posted something mentioning overthinking, and, well, it made me think.

I've never understood what "overthinking" is. I've been accused of doing it, though. "Just say what comes into your mind," people tell me. Or "Just do what you feel." Neither of these is very helpful to me. In Myers-Briggs terms, I'm a really strong thinker. Feelings often come only after I think about something and figure out how I feel about it. I know this can be hugely confusing to feelers who tend to have feelings first and then think about them. There isn't anything that "just comes into my mind." I don't feel like I'm a pot overflowing with stuff that I have dammed up all the time. It's not a matter of just removing the dam and letting things spill out. Things have to be picked up and looked at and analyzed before they come out in any way. There's not much to come out unless I think about it.

So back to overthinking. Does overthinking mean thinking instead of feeling? That doesn't seem right to me; thinking and feeling are both good and important, and I don't know why feeling would necessarily be better than thinking. Does overthinking mean analyzing things? I can't figure out what's wrong with analysis; I like it and it helps me understand myself and others and the world. Does overthinking mean obsessing about something to a degree that makes you unhappy with your life and unable to make decisions? I can see why that would be a bad thing. But why is that overthinking? Isn't that obsessing? Is there a difference?

I have the feeling that the people who accuse me of overthinking will look at this post and say, see, you're overthinking now! Because, after all, I'm trying to figure something out that seems obvious to a lot of people. But it's not obvious to me, and how else can I figure it out?

Edit: [info]resolute tells me overthinking is a term used mainly by Myers Briggs feelers.



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[info]wiredferret
2008-06-03 07:37 pm UTC (link)
My personal definition of overthinking involves my tendency toward decision paralysis. If I keep analyzing and processing and gathering data, and analyzing the new data and....
then I end up not making a decision, missing the crucial time when all of this analysis would have come into play.

Not making a decision is a decision.

A classic example of me overthinking has to do with trying to get a document exactly, precisely right. I try to cover all the bases, write up each scenario, document the exceptions, research the edge cases. It takes forever. In the meantime, I have not met the need of the 80 percent of the people who need the good-enough 80% document. While I have been trying to build this elaborate thing, I have allowed the core need to go unmet.

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[info]sionnain
2008-06-03 07:55 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, that's interesting! You know, I wonder if "overthinking" doesn't mean something a bit different to each person, depending on their MB type or some other factor? I'm an extrovert and creative and have quite the imagination, and am very, very social and people-oriented. My "overthinking" is *always* about other people and what they mean/are trying to say/etc.

It's why communication and honesty are a MUST--I can recognize when I'm being dumb and having wild crazy suppositions about things, but if people are less-than-honest with me or don't fess up to feelings or whatever, I go insane. I need honesty because I make enough stuff in my head, hee.

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[info]sionnain
2008-06-03 07:49 pm UTC (link)
My husband tells me I overthink all the time, and he's an INTJ. ;-)

I, however, am a self-avowed "feeler" (which makes me sound like an alien. O.o) and definitely someone who feels emotions very intensely. If something bothers me, I will feel it pretty quickly. I'm pretty self-aware and have always been fine with that aspect of my personality, so I am pretty quick to figure out what I'm feeling and then analyze why I'm feeling that way. The concept of thinking first and then feeling is not foreign to me, though; I can think about something and change the way I'm feeling about it, but I just naturally experience things first emotionally and then process them. For the most part, that is. There are always exceptions, as with most things.

Overthinking, to me, means assigning motivations to the actions of others, or coming up with scenarios that might happen if you do this or that, or saying, "But if I go to this party and so-and-so is there, we'll talk, and then later, she'll go to so-and-so and tell them this-or-that, and then this will happen..." It means coming up with six million things that could possibly happen, or figuring out what hidden motivation or meaning is beneath a simple, "Hey, what's up?", or things like that.

Sometimes, you just have to stop doing that or you'll worry yourself to death. :)

I would not think you were an overthinker, not really. It seems like you're very process-oriented, but to me, overthinkers tend to be more "Feeler" types. Honestly, they mostly seem to be women, but that could be that most women score an "F" on that section of the Meyers-Briggs. Which of course, is not a precise science :)

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[info]kalikanzara
2008-06-03 07:50 pm UTC (link)
How about:

Thinking things through in a pattern which repeats with insufficiently changed results per iteration.


My usual instances of this are when I'm not happy about something, have no new data, no new outputs available (I've already chosen the course of action), but keep looking for some way to see it differently, which, almost always, lead merely to the same place.

If that makes any sense?

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[info]laffingbuddha
2008-06-03 08:02 pm UTC (link)
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

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[info]lcohen
2008-06-03 08:46 pm UTC (link)
to me it's revisiting something over and over where i can't actually do anything about it so the thinking isn't going to lead to anything productive. like if i'm scared that something will happen and i've identified that i'm scared of that thing and i know it but right now there's nothing else productive that i can do but i keep revisiting it like poking my tongue where a tooth is missing....

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[info]resolute
2008-06-03 08:57 pm UTC (link)
From A to B: "You're overthinking."

Translation: "You are thinking about this past the point where I want you to make a decision."

From A to A: "I'm overthinking."

Translation: "I am thinking about this and it's not getting me anything I want."

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[info]birdfigment
2008-06-03 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I use "overthinking" to mean "making something more complicated than it actually is". I told Azure recently that he was overthinking a puzzle, because, well, he was thinking of really complicated solutions and the actual one was quite simple. But then again, I am a feely person. I think. :-)

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Overthinking?
(Anonymous)
2008-06-04 04:21 pm UTC (link)
As an ISTJ, I don't think there is such a thing as overthinking. However, I would ask what your whole personality type is. If you have a Perceiving preference, that may be what combines with your thinking preference to cause "overthinking." People with a perceiving preference will take longer to make decisions than a J preference. This is not our of indecisiveness, procrastination, or laziness. This is just because a P preference wants to wait in case a better idea or more information comes in. I guess this is what a previous poster referred to as decision paralysis. So, I can see someone who is a NTP taking longer to make a decision than a STJ. The NTP wants to make as many interconnections as possible, consider all ideas, make the decision thoroughly and sequentially, and take time to implement the decision. On the flip side, an STJ will believe what they have seen/experienced before, think thoroughly through the situation, then implement the decision quickly so they can get to the next item on their to-do list.

Does this make sense?

I would suggest you pick up Introduction to Type and Decision Making by CPP. www.cpp.com

I have a post on my blog about Decision Making in case you are interested: http://speakingofmbti.blogspot.com

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Re: Overthinking?
[info]amblypygid
2008-06-06 04:32 pm UTC (link)
I'm an INTJ, so I think I make decisions pretty quickly.

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